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11-14-2007, 01:36 PM
Post: #61
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Quote:As far as having me lawyer phone yours, don't be so naive
I never said any such thing. You are confusing me with someone else. I'm the one who said bringing in lawyers was silly.

Quote:all I am saying is that it was nice when I was involved and posting people to super helpful and relevant articles on my blog about a topic, and it was especially nice to see all the wonderful comments that I received on those articles on my blog form DreamHost customers who praised me for my contribution and helping to solve their problem or provide an alternative solution. That is the real story, the DreamHost customers who use the wiki (and who the wiki is FOR) loved my links to helpful articles and if you want you can take a look at the wonderful comments that are sprinkled throughout my blog on many different topics.
Except that isn't how it worked at all, is it? The links you posted started springing up all over the place, and pointed to pages with advertising all over them. Some of the links pointed to pages that talked about how to use misdirection and obfuscation to boost DreamHost referrals or vote for your site in the DHSOTM contest. Then you tried to apply an invalid license to the contributions you were making (which is still inappropriate, BTW). In fact, almost all of your earlier wiki edits appear to have been geared to driving traffic to your various websites.

I left messages on your wiki talk page, thanking your for your contributions but warning you about some of the links, etc. I even offered up a solution to your attribution problem. If you find yourself in a bind because you ignored my warnings and advice, you only have yourself to blame.

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11-14-2007, 01:47 PM
Post: #62
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Quote:Except that isn't how it worked at all, is it? The links you posted started springing up all over the place, and pointed to pages with advertising all over them.
Ok Mr. Bigshot wiki op with all the right answers, I challenge you to LIST the page title I edited, the link I posted, and the title of the page I linked to. Noone will be surprised to learn NONE of it was spam.

Quote:I left messages on your wiki talk page, thanking your for your contributions but warning you about some of the links, etc. I even offered up a solution to your attribution problem. If you find yourself in a bind because you ignored my warnings and advice, you only have yourself to blame.
Do you call 10,000 unique visitors to my blog every day being put "in a bind"? Do you know how many unique visitors per month I get from the DreamHost wiki? 300!!!!! Wow I am rich.. I have literally hit the SEO goldmine of the century! *sarcasam*

That really makes it undeniably obvious that I am here to help people who are interested in open-source and learning cool tips to better the net for themselves and the world, DEFINATELY NOT to drive traffic, which I most certainly do not need or desire, and even if I did want traffic, the wiki would be the LAST place aside from this forum that I would use to try to gain traffic... I would've that this was obvious to everyone... I guess logic doesn't really play much of a role in your bias against me, which leads me to believe these attacks and harassment are personally motivated.

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11-14-2007, 02:13 PM
Post: #63
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Quote:I challenge you to LIST the page title I edited, the link I posted, and the title of the page I linked to. Noone will be surprised to learn NONE of it was spam.
As I stated earlier, I will not be visiting your site because of all the iffy cookies and redirects, etc. Your edits on the DreamHost Wiki are a matter of record. A high proportion of your earlier edits where adding external links to htaccesslite and askapache sites, managed by your good self. At the time (I have no idea if this is still the case, because I don't go to your sites) they were short articles, often repeating existing documentation, and displaying advertising.

Quote:Do you call 10,000 unique visitors to my blog every day being put "in a bind"?
I couldn't give a frog's fat ass how many visitors you get. Boasting about site traffic is incredibly lame, frankly. By "bind", I meant being blocked from editing the wiki.

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11-14-2007, 02:21 PM
Post: #64
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Here are two opinions I'll throw out there where I honestly want your (Mr. Apache) and everyone's feedback:
1. I don't think people should add links to their own sites in the wiki. If a link is valuable, other people will add it. Adding links to your own site creates the specter of self-promotion. If a site is worth linking to, someone will link to it. If you have content you believe to be extremely valuable as a wiki topic, add it to the wiki. Generally speaking, *I* think the links from the wiki should only be to content which would be generally considered definitive on the subject rather than just merely "good". That is, if the reason for a link being special is in any way associated with the author being associated with the wiki or the person doing the edit, then that's a bad reason.
2. As you should (and do) know, the SEO value of a link does not derive from the actual number of people traversing the link, but rather the incremental pagerank value that you inherit from the referring page as well as the terms used in the link text. Additionally, since the pages of the wiki *are* viewed as definitive in the context of DreamHost, they will themselves be ranked highly and so links from them have very high SEO value. The Google pageranks in the wiki range from around 5/10 to 7/10, making links from them very valuable from the SEO perspective. You know this and with your dedication to free content and open source, should embrace the idea of keeping the wiki free of SEO leeching links.

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11-14-2007, 02:35 PM
Post: #65
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1. We have already established a good linking policy for the DreamHost Wiki. It is, broadly-speaking, pretty much what you just said. The main difference is that we allow latitude on a personal user name space.

2. The SEO value of links on the DreamHost Wiki is now being limited by the inclusion of rel="nofollow" attributes on all external links. Although only a few search engines and indexes support this feature, it will certainly reduce the value with companies like Google.

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11-14-2007, 03:00 PM
Post: #66
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I'm not going to give your site more hits (google bot or otherwise), and I know Scjessey said he has no intentions of replying to you, but I can link to the wiki article & history of your edits associated to your adding links of your site to it:

Quote:http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=17417 << PHP.ini spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=16621 << Jeff (of DreamHost) says Cduke250 is spamming the wiki.

http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Talk:Environment_Setup#Proposed_External_Links << At least he asked here.
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=16917 << which were later moved here...

http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...oldid=8992 << "PHP FastCGI" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14084 << which was thankfully removed here
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...oldid=9003 << but was moved here instead Sad
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=15684 << and was made even worse here Sad

http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=15674 << DHSOTM spammage. Why can't you just ask the question without linking to your site?

http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=15665 << MySQL spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14090 << "Server Stats" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14089 << "Password-protecting directories" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14088 << ".htaccess files" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14100 << "bots spiders and crawlers" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14099 << "Custom error pages" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=17816 << "Mod rewrite" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...oldid=8254 << And some more "Mod rewrite" spammage
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14098 << WordPress spammage (several links)
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php?titl...ldid=14003 << Htaccess spammage (which btw, hasn't been removed)

Now mind you - your articles ARE informative and, in most cases, quite useful. However, supplying the articles yourself along with the fact that you almost never (I found one instance of it) linked to sites other than your own, would make almost anyone suspicious of your intentions. Your contributions were largely focused around providing links to your site and involved very few and far inbetween additions to the wiki itself, as far as content is concerned.

I'm not convinced of your claims of being "innocent" based off of this research alone.

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11-14-2007, 03:24 PM
Post: #67
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Quote:Adding links to your own site creates the specter of self-promotion.
I have to agree this is true, though I would prefer a better solution than prohibition in all cases.

Looking at the two cases presented in this thread (askapache and scjessey), there are material differences between them, IMHO.

- The pages linked on askapache's site have ads. Scjessey's linked pages do not have ads (other pages do, but those are not linked from the wiki). With Simon, the linked content is "clean and pure".

- Considering both sites "in total", askapache's page links mislead and misdirect. Scjessey's do not (a link which appears to go to his site actually does so, a link to sign up using his promo code is clearly labeled as such, the linked DH logo does go to the DH home page).

My (scum-sucking soul-leeching, but damn-good) lawyer once said "sometimes it is not what you do, but how you do it". Just like Simon's links in this forum, his links to content from the wiki are "below the spam line". Askapache's links are way above it.

But, without a clear definition of a "spam line" in the wiki, as clear as the line in this forum (hey, could a line actually be added to the template here?), I have to agree with the statement quoted above.

So, to continue with my opinion: Of course there is self-promotion in both cases, it is just that one of them strikes me as sweet as a rose, and the other smells like a pile of foo.

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11-14-2007, 05:05 PM
Post: #68
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have you asked apache.org how they feel about your rip site at askapache.info? you forgot to delete their copyright info at the bottom while you were mixing your links in with theirs.
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11-14-2007, 05:06 PM
Post: #69
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Just an FYI on this, 'askapache' has had his Rewards privileges permanently revoked.

It is absolutely unacceptable to:

1. Repost entire pages from our site verbatim (outside of obvious Fair Use) without permission, particularly in order to benefit financially from it.

2. Rewrite links from said quoted text so that they become Rewards links, as if we were linking there ourselves.

3. Represent their site as somehow being "sponsored" or otherwise endorsed by DreamHost Web Hosting if that is not the case. Participating in Rewards is not the same thing as being endorsed by DreamHost itself.

4. Otherwise misrepresenting your relationship with DreamHost, particularly in order to benefit financially from it.

5. Spamming forums - including our own - in order to lure prospective DreamHost customers to your site in order to obtain Rewards using thinly veiled promotional techniques.

Anyhow, I think we've made it very clear in the past that this sort of thing would not be allowed or tolerated. If anyone sees this sort of thing in the future, please email TS and ask that the message go to Abuse/Security ("attn. Jeff C.").

Thanks to those who contacted us about this particular case.

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11-14-2007, 05:33 PM
Post: #70
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If you actually read their copyright you would know it is perfectly legal to copy their content as long as you keep their copyright statement.

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