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MS FrontPage and Netscape
03-12-2004, 05:07 PM
Post: #1
MS FrontPage and Netscape
Hi,
A firefighter colleague of mine has a problem that I have so far been unsuccessful in helping him to overcome. He created a website for our station using MS FrontPage. When checking the pages in both IE and Netscape we find that certain photo images (not all, just some) will show up only with IE but not Netscape. One page with a photo will appear fine in *both* IE and Netscape, but another, nearly identical page with a photo seems fine in IE but the same image on the same page won't appear in Netscape.

Things that don't seem to be the problem:
1. The images were all executed with FTP because they're ALL showing up with IE.
2. In MS FrontPage, Tools >> Page Options >> Compatibility
Under "Browsers", both IE and Netscape were selected.
3. Checked to make sure the uploaded image names and file extensions are identical to what is written in the html for the webpage in FrontPage. Ex.: made sure uploaded, executed image "index_files/image001.gif" wasn't written as "index_files/image001.GIF" in the page html (for Netscape to pick up on any difference in capitalization.)

This page successfully shows the photo image in both IE and Netscape:
http://www.wtvfd.net/Hotshots/newicewater1.htm

This second, nearly identical page shows the photo image in IE but not Netscape:
http://www.wtvfd.net/Hotshots/newicewater2.htm

I've examined the source for both pages and do find some differences, but nothing I could attribute (as in, "Aha!") to being the cause of this problem. (for example, there were some size differences and I also discovered a misdirected button link to a wrong page).

Does anyone have any suggestions for what possibilities there might be for an image to appear in IE but not in Netscape, keeping in mind that this only occurs with some of the website images while other images on other pages of the same website successfully appear in both browsers? What is left to check in the process of elimination for this problem?

I would really appreciate any help with this frustrating situation.

Thanks!
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03-12-2004, 08:14 PM
Post: #2
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well, I can't even post the code in this forum it's so proprietary =)

looks to me like the image was edited in Word or something and converted to VML. Netscape won't undertsand that, you need to find the 12 daggum lines of code that deal with that image and turn it into one line:

Code:
<img src="../P1120002.JPG" width="548" height="363" alt="friggin freezin fireguys" />
and while I'm admiring that xhtml compliant trailing slash, wax that doctype as well, that can't hurt anything, well, maybe it would kill the rest of the page, for IE, or something. ow, my head.

making web site with MSOffice products is just a bad idea, learn some simple html and image editing and it'll get you much farther, much more compatible, much less bloated, good luck to ya

jason
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03-15-2004, 01:41 PM
Post: #3
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Hi Jason,

Thanks very much for taking the time to reply to my request for help. I have a couple of questions about your response that I hope you won't mind answering....

Where exactly (or probably) would I find the "12 lines of code" that deal with the image and turn them into one line in the page html? Would these already be written somewhere in the html for the page as it is right now and I would just need find them by using "view source", or, would I find this somewhere else such as in the program where the editing took place (like under "image properties")?

I agree, it is better to learn basic html than use WYSIWYG editors. I write out my my own simple websites. However, I am basically just a novice website builder. I quickly become lost when things like xhtml, VML, dhtml, java script, etc. are discussed. Is VML "voluntary markup language"?

Thanks again!
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03-15-2004, 01:59 PM
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for writing with this extra info. I also noticed something else unwanted: that when hovering/moving vertically over the picture buttons with my cursor in IE that the button images seemed to get "mixed up" with each other, but that another little swipe up or down would put them back right. I guess my browser was temporarily misreading the code. And I surmise that button setup he selected (where the button is highlighted when one hovers over it with the cursor) has to do with xhtml, something of which I know little about.

I used and liked http://www.lissaexplains.com for learning basic html for my own websites. Because it is written for kids, it's a little difficult for an adult to mess up. :-)

Joanne
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03-15-2004, 02:17 PM
Post: #5
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VML is Vector Markup Language... (not proprietary at all actually, MS is just ahead of everyone else, again. That oughta get some *nix lovers grumbling... Tongue)

I'm having real trouble posting the VML that you need to replace, no matter what I try it's getting parsed and turned into something that you would not recognize when viewing the source of that page, so, sorry =[ Just look for the jumbles of rubbish in the code with lots of "V this and that" sprinkled about, along with comments (<!-Vstuff->)

If you "write out [your] own simple websites" why not try it with that page? There's no reason to have to involve any of the intimidating acronyms you mentioned in that page. The only thing you'd need to know that you maybe don't already is some CSS to style a linklist to make some groovy hover stuff. That's pretty straightforward stuff and there'd be a number of people around here that are willing to help I betcha.

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03-15-2004, 02:33 PM
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Quote:VML is Vector Markup Language... (not proprietary at all actually,
MS is just ahead of everyone else, again. That oughta get some
*nix lovers grumbling... Tongue)

Not at all! I personally think it's kind of cute when Microsoft tries to be standards compliant. It's like the "Little Parser That Could".

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03-15-2004, 02:39 PM
Post: #7
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jejeje, so you're saying other browsers would parse that properly were it standards compliant?

I know nothing of VML, I had to look it up. That markup looked like a table inside some goofy, proprietary tags. Could have certainly been duplicated in a more cross browser and economical fashion by using a class for the image or a div to wrap it.

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03-15-2004, 03:24 PM
Post: #8
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On a lighter note, I'm not sure how to help you, but it strikes me that perhaps your firehouse receives some excess funding?Smile

http://www.wtvfd.net/apparatus/golfcarthome.htm

"Quick mates, to the golf cart, the fire won't wait!"

Devol
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