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08-20-2007, 08:45 AM
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haha, tell me you aren't taking this that seriously! lol

You will notice that all my wikipedia links have been put back on the pages and approved. I met the requirements for an external link for wikipedia because its NOT SPAM. All the links I make are to exceptionally relevant articles, minus the fluff. Thats because I'm not writing for search engines, I'm writing them and linking to them to help out my fellow webmasters.. I've been involved with the tldp.org movement for about 8 years and its just absurd to me that I run up against such heated opposition from only a couple people out of the entire Internet. I'm not sure if its jealousy, or more likely a lack of research into the linked-to articles.

It shouldn't astonish anyone that I published a method to demonstrate how to rig the contest.. It's a proof-of-exploit, meaning I posted it with full disclosure, including contacting several DreamHost staff members who I've dealth with in the past on similar security issues, so that they can fix it. This is actually a very similar method, I would imagine, that was used to steal all those ftp passwords a couple months ago.

I've been staying updated on the panel's coding and they are steadily making improvements and I'm not sure if this code even still works since its now several months old.

O.J. Simpson... that is just too funny!

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08-20-2007, 09:00 AM
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You are still displaying a link in your signature that explains to people how to trick users into thinking they are clicking on a harmless link, but are in fact clicking on a disguised, cookie-setting referral link. You justify this by saying the link is "more appealing to a user". This deceit is covered in the terms of the affiliate program:

Gaining referrals through misrepresentation, improper use of DreamHost intellectual property (ie. DreamHost trademarks and copyrighted material) or impersonation of DreamHost personnel is strictly prohibited and can result in loss of accrued Rewards and/or removal from the program.

How can you expect us to think your just an honest, altruistic person trying to help webmasters when you do things like that?

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08-20-2007, 09:15 AM
Post: #13
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im literally flabbergasted at your perception of what I am actually doing with the totally freaking sweet Boosted Promo Codes Links..

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Quote:You are still displaying a link in your signature that explains to people how to trick users into thinking they are clicking on a harmless link, but are in fact clicking on a disguised, cookie-setting referral link.

Sure I have explained a super-freakin-awesome technique combining Apache mod_rewrite and some php code (or just 1 or the other) to turn http://www.dreamhost.com/redir.cgi?ad=re...=askapache into http://www.askapache.com/dream/

Thanks for bringing that up as it is one of my all time favorite tips that I share with the world for free (though its only interesting to DreamHosters). You can see how "misrepresenting" and "tricky" my method works at http://www.askapache.com/dreamhost/ where one of DreamHosts suggested banner's is linked to http://www.askapache.com/dream/

This method also means that my access logs show exactly how many times /dream/ was called, which obviously provides an infinately more detailed record of how well your affiliate link is doing.

Seriously don't make me laugh, if you do a little googling you will see that thousands of dreamhosters have already implemented this method, but I should warn people its kind of advanced and a little difficult to grasp.

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08-20-2007, 09:32 AM
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Quote:Seriously don't make me laugh, if you do a little googling you will see that thousands of dreamhosters have already implemented this method, but I should warn people its kind of advanced and a little difficult to grasp.
All these "thousands" may risk losing their rewards according to the TOS. Let us hope they don't seek compensation from you when it happens!

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08-20-2007, 09:54 AM
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Please direct me to the TOS you keep referring to, as there is definately no violation of the TOS as linked-to and stated below. If you feel any part of the TOS is being violated in any way shape or form please let me know so that I can have my attorney check your opinion against the law. I certainly would never recommend anything even remotely close to a TOS violation, so I will appreciate your reply.

From: TOS

Quote:The Fine Print
"Sub-Referrals" are defined as tier-2 referrals. Tier-3 referrals do not earn a credit.

Recurring Payments will be applied to customer's account every time a payment is made by both referrals and sub-referrals.

One-time Payments will be applied to customer's account the first time a referred (or sub-referred) customer makes payment for any full hosting plan (including dedicated servers).

Please only post your link in conjunction with your regular postings, as per our strict anti-spam rules. Please post responsibly.

Violations of our anti-spam policy or our Terms of Service will result in immediate forfeiture of all Rewards payments.

Gaining referrals through misrepresentation, improper use of DreamHost intellectual property (ie. DreamHost trademarks and copyrighted material) or impersonation of DreamHost personnel is strictly prohibited and can result in loss of accrued Rewards and/or removal from the program.

Payments are made on the first business day of the month, via PayPal, for balances of $20 or more.

If you have any hosting accounts with DreamHost, Rewards payments will first be applied to any balance due on those accounts before being paid out via Paypal.

New accounts must use a different credit card number from the referrer to qualify for rewards credit for the referrer. Customers also cannot refer themselves or their spouse/civil union partner. No exceptions will be made.

Promo codes must be unique across our entire system. Promo codes only work for totally new customers (not for existing customers adding more services or new customers trying to host domains that are already in our system).

If a referral cancels and gets their payment refunded, any Rewards payments you earned from that payment will also be cancelled.

Accounts with less than five referrals older than 97 days are subject to a 97 day hold period and 5% fee on PayPal payments.

We call accounts with five or more referrals older than 97 days "Platinum Affiliates". That's because platinum is awesome and implies high-classiness. And that's the kind of customer we host. Oh yes.

"Platinum Affiliates" can also opt to have their payments made via check instead of PayPal.

Customers signing up with a promo code waive their right to decide who gets any referral credit for their account.

We reserve the right to terminate our Rewards program at our discretion.
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08-20-2007, 10:03 AM
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Your "method" encourages webmasters to violate "Gaining referrals through misrepresentation" as I stated above. By all means get your attorney to check it if you want to spend the money.

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08-20-2007, 10:20 AM
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Quote:Generally, defamation is a false and unprivileged statement of fact that is harmful to someone's reputation, and published "with fault," meaning as a result of negligence or malice. State laws often define defamation in specific ways. Libel is a written defamation; slander is a spoken defamation.
My method does not "encourage" in any way shape or form anyone to violate TOS. That is a false statement that is harmful to my reputation, whether as a result of malice or negligence I do not care, stop it. I would like you to clarify how, in your opinion, this method encourages gaining referrals through misrepresentation. What is being misrepresented in your opinion?

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08-20-2007, 10:37 AM
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Quote:What is being misrepresented in your opinion?
Your method conceals the true nature of the link. A user clicks on the link expecting to be taken to a certain page within a site, and they find themselves elsewhere with a cookie having been set. I know this is common on the web, but it makes it no less deceptive and misrepresentative.

Incidentally, quoting definitions of defamation to me will serve only to demonstrate your thorough misunderstanding of it.

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08-20-2007, 10:40 AM
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Yes, like this type:

http://dreamhost.com/r.cgi?00123|PEEWEE

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08-20-2007, 10:43 AM
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Quote:Yes, like this type
I used the standard, approved method of linking to DreamHost. I make no attempt to deceive users, Bob.

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