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04-06-2005, 03:48 AM
Post: #11
Policy on affiliate links...?
Quote:It's not had to do a search for rewards.cgi sort of links on the database to find out who's posted a link.

Thats VERY easy to mask. http://hosting.i40.com/ doesn't look like a referral link does it?

Heck I can get even more clever than that. I can have it go to a page that refreshes to a referral link in 2 seconds. That way the http_referer gets set correctly too.

If your going to ban referral links, you will have to ban all non site5 links as well. and wont THAT be fun. Want to know the address to download WikkaWiki (which I prefer over MediaWiki) Sorry. can't tell you.

-Jason

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04-06-2005, 04:05 AM
Post: #12
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Quote:Well, hey, that's really sweet of you to take the links out of your sig'.

Hello Bob,

I have been using similar signatures (without the hyperlinks) in quite a few busy forums out there (and you could guess they forbid affiliate links of any kind, and some of them are quite strict about that).

I must admit that my hotlinking them before yesterday had something to do with OTHERS doing that (incl.yours). It's the "hey he did it, why don't I?" kind of mentality, which I have no problem getting rid of if a clear policy on affiliate links is in place. After all, my guess is that the overwhelming majority of my rewards does NOT come from here. Wink

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04-06-2005, 05:51 AM
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Quote:Thats VERY easy to mask.
Jason has a valid point. Banning referral IDs on the forum would be very hard to police; nevertheless, I still think that should happen. If a potential customer has wandered into this forum without clicking on an existing customer's ID, it means that they have found their way here by DreamHost's own promotional efforts. It seems wrong that DH should then have to cough-up $97 to someone who doesn't deserve it.

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04-06-2005, 06:07 AM
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Another example for this sort of thing, but on a much larger scale, is a car dealership. Auto shoppers wander onto the lot, a salesperson makes the sale and a commission, and the dealership makes money. I think the person offering whatever information brings a customer should get credit.

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04-06-2005, 06:07 AM
Post: #15
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If a user is in the forums, it's because they couldn't find the answer on Dreamhosts site, or the Knowledgebase. So Dreamhosts promotional efforts HAVEN'T worked at least not 100%.

And if they are on the fence, and something I say pushes them to signup?

(I'm of the opinion if someone is reading the forums over the last 3 months there is no way they would sign up, but thats beside the point.)

Whats the next type of link to be banned if we ban Affiliate links? Links to other hosts? Links to sites that promote other hosts? Links to sites that mention other hosts? Links to sites hosted on other hosts? Links? Non links to other hosts? non links to sites that promote other hosts?

If I can't pimp Dreamhost in dreamhosts own forums where can I pimp Dreamhost? (Note, I removed ALL Dreamhost affiliate links when I became an unhappy customer, because I refuse to pimp something I am not happy with. And since I will never EVER be a happy customer of dreamhost I wont ever post another dreamhost affiliate link ANYWHERE EVER. So I am arguing this for everyone else. I don't have a horse in this race).

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04-06-2005, 06:24 AM
Post: #16
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Quote:Chell: Auto shoppers wander onto the lot, a salesperson makes the sale and a commission, and the dealership makes money.
That analogy fails because the salesperson is an employee of the dealership.

Quote:Jason: If a user is in the forums, it's because they couldn't find the answer on Dreamhosts site, or the Knowledgebase.
I don't agree with that. I didn't follow a referral link when I discovered DreamHost. I did some research, which included studying data at Netcraft and even checking WhoIs records, and then came to the discussion forum to lurk for a bit. I wanted to get a feel of the place before committing myself. In fact, if anyone convinced me that this was the place to be, it was Will Yardley, and he's departed for pastures new.

Quote:Jason: And since I will never EVER be a happy customer of dreamhost
Why do you inhabit this forum (and for that matter, the wiki), Jason? I'm not saying you have no business here - I am merely trying to figure out why you bother.

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04-06-2005, 06:56 AM
Post: #17
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For one thing, some folks make it a habit to routinely erase their cookies, like me, believe it or not. :-) Edit, Preferences, Clear in FireFox.

What does that have to do with anything? If someone deletes their cookies, any referral info will be removed whether it's an old cookie or a new one.

Also, as previously discussed, whether one credits the first person ever to slip someone a referral cookie, or the last person just before signup, is a debatable and arbitrary question.

This is somewhat solved by having the referrals expire. If someone doesn't sign up within 30 days (say) of following a referral link, the referrer loses a chance at a commision. If someone is convinced by later information, the most recent referrer should get the kickback. And remember, the new user can always fill in a referral ID in the sign up form (which should take precedence).

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04-06-2005, 07:02 AM
Post: #18
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> A lot of these links aren't very clearly labeled as affiliate links, if at all.

Get used to it. It's everywhere. And how does that hurt anybody who clicks one?


Transparency is good. Disclosure is good. It should always be clear when someone stands to profit from something like this. People can make a more informed decision when they know the poster's motives.

Here's an idea, how about appending the text "(referral link)" after any link with a referral URL in it? That should make everyone happy.

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04-06-2005, 07:12 AM
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I don't think it matters whether or not the person is employed by DH. DH offers and affiliate program, which makes them money by gaining them new customers. Same basic concept.

kchrist, that is a good point about the signup form. If a new customer expressly states they were referred by someone, that should be the bottom line.

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04-06-2005, 07:16 AM
Post: #20
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Quote:Why do you inhabit this forum (and for that matter, the wiki), Jason? I'm not saying you have no business here - I am merely trying to figure out why you bother.

I'm still a customer.. Wait.. Thats not accurate. I'm a bennifactor since I have paid Dreamhost but don't receive any services in return.

I want to make sure people get fair and accurate information (good and bad) about dreamhost. And I want them never to forget dreamhost WILL dump support messages from the Queues without resolving them.

The Wiki? I'm a fan of Wikis in general. And there is some good information in there. And as Im updating my own wiki, I plan on adding the information, that pertains to Dreamhost, to it. Do you have issue with any of my Wiki Edits? (I'll admit ONE of the edits was for fun, but not detrimental).

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