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03-28-2005, 01:52 PM
Post: #51
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Depends on where the stats come from
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
IE is under 70%


w3schools' stats aren't going to indicate an overall trend, as its readers are generally technically-inclined and knowledgeable when it comes to the web. People working on building web site are more aware of other browsers, and will be more inclined to use one with better standards support. In other words, your grandmother isn't reading w3schools (or maybe she is, but most aren't).

I really wish Google hadn't stopped publishing their stats. That would give us a much more accurate number.

And lets not forget a number of us set our HTTP headers to report as IE so those sites that try to thwart other browsers don't turn us away.

Please don't. Or, if you must, be sure to only switch UAs for those sites that require it; don't just leave it at IE all the time. UA forgery does more harm than good in the long run. These bad web developers are never going to care about writing better code if their logs never show non-IE browsers.

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03-28-2005, 03:49 PM
Post: #52
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Quote:w3schools' stats aren't going to indicate an overall trend, as its readers are generally technically-inclined and knowledgeable when it comes to the web. People working on building web site are more aware of other browsers, and will be more inclined to use one with better standards support. In other words, your grandmother isn't reading w3schools (or maybe she is, but most aren't).
From that page:

Statistics Are Often Misleading

You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.

Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, other sites attract hobbyists using older low spec computers.

Also be aware that  many stats may have an incomplete or faulty browser detection. It is quite common by many web stats report programs, not to detect new browsers like Opera and Netscape 6 or 7 from the web log.

(The statistics above are extracted from W3Schools' log-files, but we are also monitoring other sources around the Internet to assure the quality of these figures) 


Though, I do use stats on my clients' sites. Here's one from March with about 12,000 hosts served

http://home.comcast.net/~filehost/misc/browsum.png

If only I could pull the browser summary out of the long term stats...
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04-09-2005, 06:14 AM
Post: #53
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I'm definately with Firefox on this.

Opera is nice, but I find it to be a bit "big", plus there's the paid issue, and Firefox has waaaay more extensibility.
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07-18-2005, 03:38 AM
Post: #54
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Quote:90, 80, 87, 86? The point is: iE's goin' down! :-)

No, I need it DEAD. Moreover, Firefox NEEDS to take over the market and NOT let others like Opera squeeze in. Anything else would only cut into cost; it's BUSINESS after all.

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07-18-2005, 09:48 AM
Post: #55
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For the apt package for opera you need to add

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ unstable non-free
to your /etc/apt/sources.list

if that doesn't work then you can add

deb http://www.opera.com.org/~tfheen/debian potato non-free

Or if you're in Europe, you need to add:
deb http://www.pvv.org/opera potato non-free

I guess we're the only lynx users on here, does that mean we're the only really cool ones? :-P Not counting our wonderful DH admins of course.

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07-19-2005, 07:40 AM
Post: #56
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I'd rather not have any browser "take over the market" and become a monopoly or near-monopoly; I'd like there to be a wide variety of browsers in use, all following platform-neutral standards such as those of the W3C.

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08-01-2005, 02:05 PM
Post: #57
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I was happy when I got a Blackberry, and all the sites I have built in the past, based on WC3 standards, (but without any thought of handhelds) actually work, (as opposed to most of the sites out there). =)

edit: I usually use FireFox (windows & linux)
edit2: but always check out sites I build in IE
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