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How to choose: free Cloudflare or free https ?
03-16-2016, 04:12 AM
Post: #11
RE: How to choose: free Cloudflare or free https ?
Hello. On 02-02-2016, sdayman indicated above a quite clear process to activate free https and free Cloudflare:

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1) I went to Cloudflare and added my domains.
2) Cloudflare pulled all the DNS data from DreamHost.
3) I updated my WHOIS info to use the Cloudflare Name Servers as instructed on my Cloudflare account.
4) Cloudflare detected this and then started working.
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I am chickening out. If this can be of use to anyone here, I am starting to move and post the steps here.

This morning I went to the Dreamhost control panel and unplugged Cloudflare from the domain abeille-cyclotourisme.fr, hosted by Dreamhost and, so far, protected (proxy-ed I presume) by Cloudflare via the Dreamhost control panel. Nothing of significance happened. I will be waiting like that for possible horror stories for 48 hours.

Since I have a Cloudflare account, with (now) no domain on it, I visited Cloudflare, Dreamhost (host) and Bookmyname (domain name registrar). Following the quoted lines of sdayman,

1) "I went to Cloudflare and added my domains". Seems easy to do, I tried it with my bare hands.
2) "Cloudflare pulled all the DNS data from DreamHost". Yes, they did that to me and more, seems easy even to me.
3) "I updated my WHOIS info to use the Cloudflare Name Servers as instructed on my Cloudflare account". Cloudflare gives precise instructions. I checked feasibility of implementation with Bookmyname. Seems easy to do even by me (did not do it though). I then cancelled the Cloudflare registration process. So the website is currently no longer Cloudflare enabled.
4) "Cloudflare detected this and then started working".

After all, this seems feasible even to me. The website would be run with the help of not three but four companies: Bookmyname direct for domain name (for pay), Dreamhost direct for hosting (for pay), Google for mail direct but through Dreamhost control panel (free, maybe due to Dreamhost contract with them) and Cloudflare direct if I implement that (for free). A lot, but doable.

48 hours from now, I intend to implement free https on the Dreamhost CP and post news here. Then... maybe... Cloudflare again.

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03-18-2016, 02:37 PM
Post: #12
RE: How to choose: free Cloudflare or free https ?
I implemented free https this morning (March 18) on the Dreamhost control panel. It works.

With https://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr, the site responds, with a padlock. The padloc is green on Firefox.

With http://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr and http://www.abeille-cyclotourisme.fr, the site responds also, but without the padlock.

48 hours from now, I intend to attempt setting up Cloudlflare again, this time directly from my Cloudflare account, and post news here.

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06-03-2016, 07:43 PM
Post: #13
RE: How to choose: free Cloudflare or free https ?
(03-18-2016 02:37 PM)michelangelo Wrote:  I implemented free https this morning (March 18) on the Dreamhost control panel. It works.

With https://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr, the site responds, with a padlock. The padloc is green on Firefox.

With http://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr and http://www.abeille-cyclotourisme.fr, the site responds also, but without the padlock.

48 hours from now, I intend to attempt setting up Cloudlflare again, this time directly from my Cloudflare account, and post news here.

in the end you didn't use cloud flare?

do you know that you can have free https from cloud flare?
but you need to register your domain with them and used their name server in your domain.

the only thing you will miss is free the railgun feature with dreamhost cloudflare setup.

you even can get http2 feature for free other then get https.
which in dreamhost it's only free for VPS user.

you can use the cloudflare chrome plugin called Claire to verify it.
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06-05-2016, 09:54 AM
Post: #14
RE: How to choose: free Cloudflare or free https ?
(06-03-2016 07:43 PM)alien Wrote:  in the end you didn't use cloud flare?

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Sorry I forgot to mention. First, when I opted for https, I was requested to select either "without www" (remove www from the URL), or "With www", instead of the option I had selected which said "either option is OK". I selected the option to remove the www, which had always been my intention but since I had goofed on this setting, the search engines registered <http://www.abeille-cyclotourisme.fr>. After waiting for about 1 months to permit the search engines to reset themselves to the new address <https://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr>, which they ultimately did, I came back to the Dreamhost control panel to activate Cloudflare from it (not directly from Cloudflare, for the sake of simplicity).

I nearly succeeded. I received an error message to the effect that addresses must be prefixed by www for the cloudflare proxying to operate. Dreamhost, it appears, is working with Cloudflare to remove this limitation.

So far I am waiting, without anxiety nor urgency. The site now has an https address but Cloudflare is not enabled. Neither https nor Cloudflare are essential to this website. Given the choice, I selected https. I prefer to wait until time is ripe for the easy setting of simply adding Cloudflare on top of the <https://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr> address.

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06-05-2016, 12:43 PM
Post: #15
RE: How to choose: free Cloudflare or free https ?
(06-05-2016 09:54 AM)michelangelo Wrote:  Sorry I forgot to mention. First, when I opted for https, I was requested to select either "without www" (remove www from the URL), or "With www", instead of the option I had selected which said "either option is OK". I selected the option to remove the www, which had always been my intention but since I had goofed on this setting, the search engines registered <http://www.abeille-cyclotourisme.fr>. After waiting for about 1 months to permit the search engines to reset themselves to the new address <https://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr>, which they ultimately did, I came back to the Dreamhost control panel to activate Cloudflare from it (not directly from Cloudflare, for the sake of simplicity).

I nearly succeeded. I received an error message to the effect that addresses must be prefixed by www for the cloudflare proxying to operate. Dreamhost, it appears, is working with Cloudflare to remove this limitation.

So far I am waiting, without anxiety nor urgency. The site now has an https address but Cloudflare is not enabled. Neither https nor Cloudflare are essential to this website. Given the choice, I selected https. I prefer to wait until time is ripe for the easy setting of simply adding Cloudflare on top of the <https://abeille-cyclotourisme.fr> address.

I know it take long to re-crawl by search engine, but you can make the process faster by directly telling the search engine, how you want to display your site in search engine.
you can set it over here
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/home?hl=en

ic, from what I know you can turn on ssl via your provider but you need the premium cloudflare account.
if you want free account but have free ssl you need to change your ns server with cloudflare, yes it will took about 24 hours to make sure all dns is propagated but in my opinion it worth it, since I can use free cdn and also free ssl.

I am setup one of my site using above method.
I like CDN from cloud flare since my target audience is people outside US, it easier to other people from outside US to access it since with cdn it will choose which server the closer to your visitor and also I am also got the http2 from cloud flare, even though I know the real server didn't use http2 but the cdn have that feature so it should somehow help visitor.
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07-31-2017, 03:23 AM
Post: #16
RE: How to choose: free Cloudflare or free https ?
The site is hosted by Dreamhost wherever it is in California because I like this host's style. The Dreamhost servers knows about the domain name from bookmyname through a hairy process I succeeded to configure once but do not dare to tamper about.
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