Why is DreamHost supporting militant Nazis from Berlin?


#1

Dear staff of DreamHost,

I am very interested to know, why your company supports a german neonazi-group that is responsible for several brutal attacks on foreign people and journalists. They call themselves “Nationaler Widerstand Berlin” (National Resistance Berlin). The Website is: www.nw-berlin.net

(other than in the USA, nazi-propaganda and a call for racist violence is in germany not covered by free speech, but a criminal act.)

This group is currently starting a racist campaign against migrants. On the website you can also find quotes of nazi-leader Adolf Hitler. The latest racist attack in berlin was probably organized by the same people. One man got severely hurt because the Nazis hit him with a broken bottle-neck(!):

The Nazis even burned down an alternative clothing-store that was listed on nw-berlin.net:
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/wut-auf-nazis-buergermeister-in-sorge/1968984.html

On the same website the neonazis gather pictures and private information about lawyers, politicians and journalists they think are working against racism.
http://www.nw-berlin.net/category/recherche/

Some of these men already got attacked by Nazis. More than ten people pressed charges against the website for publishing their pictures, but the police is incapable the identify the owners, cause the site DreamHost is hosting runs under a fake name with a PO box-adress in the states.

Here are some news-articles about the website and the Berlin naziscene (sorry, only in german):




There was even a discussion about the Website in the Berlin-Parlament. But since DreamHost guarantees the anonymity of the owners of NW-berlin.net, the police can’t do anything.
http://www.parlament-berlin.de:8080/starweb/adis/citat/VT/16/KlAnfr/ka16-14280.pdf

As far as I understand your Terms of use policy, (http://www.dreamhost.com/aup.html) these Nazis shouldn’t get hosted by Dreamhost.

“Customer may only use DreamHost Web Hosting’s Server for lawful purpose. Transmission of any material in violation of any Country, Federal, State or Local regulation is prohibited. To this effect, child pornography is strictly prohibited as well as housing any copyrighted information (to which the customer does not hold the copyright or an appropriate license) on DreamHost Web Hosting’s Server. Also, using DreamHost’s servers or network to conspire to commit or support the commission of illegal activities is forbidden as well.”

I can only urge you to shut down the website in order to stop the violence brought to Berlin by the “Nationaler Widerstand” or at least please give the information you got about the site-owners to the German authorities.

Thanks a lot for your help
Elisabeth Schröter from Berlin


#2

I would like to add that this neo-Nazi take action against journalists / photographs who report critically. Thats for "freedom of speech ".

You can find the “wanted posters” our photographers on this website

verd.i-Berlin / Fachbereich 8 (Medien) / dju
(german journalist union)


http://www.dju-berlinbb.de/


#3

I think, you should think about your moral responsability and close this nazi-site.

They have a “red watch”-list on their site, where they publish photos of political enemies, like left politicians.
They have a list of alternative shops and clubs, and many of them got attacked from nazis, after publishing this list.
Und they are pushing a campaign called “Ausländer raus” (“Imigrants out”), which is clearly racist und is combined with attacks against imigrants.

Please, close this site und prevent hate-crimes in Berlin.


#4

It seems to be the same discussion as we had with the austrian neo-nazis. These neo-nazis are using Dreamhost to organize their hate-crimes and to avoid the provisions of their national laws.
As other people before said in that discussion I think Dreamhost should stop supporting these neonazi criminals. And in addition I think that you can`t argue with “Freedom of speech”, if they publish Most-Wanted-Lists of critical journalists and photographers, if they also publish private informations about lawyers and politicians. First and foremost if the consequences are that people from these list already got attacked by neonazis.
Finally Dreamhost should stop supporting these neonazi-criminals by giving them the chance to organize themselves anonymously spreading their hate in the world and preparing crime.

So much for that


#5

Despite being a rather small group Nationaler Widerstand Berlin and their comrades poses a real threat to everyone who doesn’t fit into their racist and fascist view of the world. After numerous other far right groups in and around Berlin have been prohibited and/or put on trial for terrorism NW Berlin is one of the most important organizations that still exist in this spectrum. Almost every organized act of right wing terrorism and violence in Berlin is linked to NW Berlin in one way or another. In the past months numerous locations and people have been attacked and/or threatened. In one case (the torching of M99 shop in Berlin-Kreuzberg) only the immediate reaction of neighbors who started fighting the fire prevented the deaths of numerous people living in the house above the shop, as fire fighters and police told the press afterwards.

I seriously cannot imagine that Dreamhost wants to be a part of this. So please take action and shut down the website of this right wing white supremacist terrorist group!


#6

Please shut this website down!!!
Lots of people who became victims of these criminals in the past and or will be in the future would be grateful.
Thanks,
Mickey


#7

This site definetly stinks, covered by your(DHost) “freedom of speech” these german neo-nazis can organize to commit hate-crimes, and oppression of others who don’t fit into their scheme of aryan master-race.

In a part of german city Berlin, called Neukölln nazis destroyed and damaged a couple of bars, offices an meeting-points according to a Hate-List published on the domain nw-berlin.net. Also attacks on non-neonazi people which happen, very often appear on that domain first, so that a tight relation between the attackers who often try to kill their victims and the moderators of the site nw-berlin.net is very evident.

It is a crime that Dreamhost supports these movements by passively letting them do their hateful things and actively looks away from the things happening.

Shut it down now !


#8

no comment on the freedom of speech part, bit it’s interesting that all of these posts come from new accounts - each post represents each author’s first. i wonder if they all come from the same IP address as well…


#9

I don’t think so especially having regard to myself. But does it inflect any of the posted facts? Tell me any reason why Dreamhost should keep this site online…


#10

The important point is that what these people are writing is right and correct. Everything else is secondary.

The idea that all of them could come from the same IP is rather improbable given the differences in style and language level in the various postings…


#11

I made a similar observation about this thread. I am sure there are dozens (if not hundreds) of websites being hosted on pretty much every web host with similar content disparaging all manner of things. All these people are doing is giving these websites more exposure and improving their google rankings.

I think that these posters want make the websites gain more readership than they would have had otherwise. It seems pretty simple when you think about it. Them posting that the site should be shut down due to objectionable content etc is just a smoke screen to their real objective of getting more page views by a wider audience. It is a clear case of reverse psychology. By saying the site shouldn’t exist and that has controversial content it will entice people to visit and read the content of it to see what all the fuss is about. The other website in that other thread and this one would be pretty obscure to the english speaking world so it would give them more readership by posting on a message board that clearly has a large english speaking audience.

All that being said, both this thread and the other one are nothing more than advertisements.


#12

First and foremost, I agree with you on the fact that it is advertisement. But, I would consider providing right-wing extremists a platform bad advertisement for dreamhost. It is not so much about clicks and google rankings as it is about giving criminals (and from what I understand, the worldview those people propagate is regarded as illegal in Germany) the opportunity to spread their hateful ideology, advertise their activities, and provide their followers a means of communication. Also, with this being a mainly English speaking forum, I do believe that the main concern of this thread is to shut down a German speaking right-wing extremist website. The statement that discussing this topic could somehow increase the readership of that site is, therefore, a bit far fetched. So, I totally subscribe to the opinion of the person that started that thread: Dear dreamhost-team, please, take that nazi website down.

Have a good one.
househippo


#13

I think legitimate concerns of violating the TOS should be sent directly to Dreamhost support, not a public forum such as this. Very little is going to happen by complaining here.


#14

[quote=“househippo, post:12, topic:54855”]

First and foremost, I agree with you on the fact that it is advertisement. But, I would consider providing right-wing extremists a platform bad advertisement for dreamhost. It is not so much about clicks and google rankings as it is about giving criminals (and from what I understand, the worldview those people propagate is regarded as illegal in Germany) the opportunity to spread their hateful ideology, advertise their activities, and provide their followers a means of communication. [/quote]

I will say the same thing I have said to the other similar thread. There is nothing about the content of that website that goes against the DH TOS or AUP. While the individuals associated with that website may, indeed, be criminals that has nothing to do with the content they have put on DH servers. DH is merely providing a service (server space and other web related services). They will not infringe on anyone’s freedom of speech as they are an American company and would be in serious violation of the constitution.

I hope you are putting as much energy into writing local providers of utilities, telecommunication and internet services as I am sure the various members of that group definitely utilize such things. Shame on such companies for contributing to terrorism by accepting money to provide power and water to their places of work and their homes and letting them subscribe to wired and cellphone services or letting them even access the internet at all. We all know those services are definitely being used to spread rhetoric and for other nefarious purposes like killing kittens.

By your own reasoning then how would we know that any of the content on that website was extremist if we cannot read it? You could be making baseless accusations, how would we know and why would we care? Would it not make more sense to take your recriminations to a German speaking community?

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to use Google Translate to get the gist of what is on there. I am sure others on the forum have used the same thing and read a few of the articles so you are incorrect when you think getting them more traffic was far fetched because it has done just that. If you think this website is in violation of DH policies should you not contact the company directly or your local government instead of posting to a primarily English speaking customer support forum that would not have even glanced at that website had a link not been posted to it and given it more exposure than it would have otherwise had?

[quote]
So, I totally subscribe to the opinion of the person that started that thread: Dear dreamhost-team, please, take that nazi website down.[/quote]

To make such a request is laughable. What company would remove a website if it does not have anything on it that is breaking the clearly stated company policies? DH is not a net nanny. You can’t expect any company to do what you are asking simply because you think someone is writing about something objectionable or controversial. This is also the wrong place to even be making such request. We are only users of DH services here. Personally I could care less what someone else is doing with their web space but that’s just me. If I don’t like it, I don’t have to visit it. Its as simple as that. If you don’t like DH because they choose to operate in accordance to local and federal laws then by all means take your business elsewhere.


#15

Well actually they’re supporting on their Site the murderer of Carlos Palomino. Carlos was killed in the Year 2007 by an spanish fascist with a knife. They are also calling for an demonstration in support of Horst Mahler. Horst Mahler was sentenced for Holocaust denial in Germany. I would appreciate it if Dreamhost removes this Site from the Web. I can’t imagine that someone complains it if this Website desappears from the Web.

For more Information about Carlos Palomino and circumstances of his dead: http://movementagainstintolerance.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/“the-hate-that-killed-out-children-was-not-an-isolated-incident”/[hr]
I forgot: some days ago a group of Neonazis armed and mummed ataked a house in Berlin. Some days later on the Webseite www.nw-berlin.net appeared a Text in direct relation to this atack. Dreamhost, please remove this Site from the Web!


#16

[/DH is not a net nanny. You can’t expect any company to do what you are asking simply because you think someone is writing about something objectionable or controversial. This is also the wrong place to even be making such request. We are only users of DH services here.]

Sorry, but I can´t understand, how it is possible to believe, that it just doesn´t matter, what anyone should write on any website. Of course it matters!! Apart from the content of the website in question, which is not only “controversial”, there is no apolitical position, which would allow you to stand above such petty “peanuts”. This wrong form of tolerance hurts in real life, you know.

Please shut down this website!!


#17

Feel free to contact the US government and ask them to strike that annoying Freedom of Speech clause out of the constitution. I’m sure once that is done DH would be happy to delete someone’s website simply due to it having content that someone may find objectionable. This way DH does not have to fear litigation for breaking any laws themselves. You might not like what someone has on their website but the federal laws here in the US say these people have a right to say whatever they want.


#18

Dear Dreamhost,

I don’t know if you are aware but the site you are supporting “http://www.nw-berlin.net” are a bunch of racist Nazi thugs who have brutally attacked, and even killed, people who don’t conform to their narrow mindset. Foreigners (especially but not exclusively non-white) people, anarchists, homosexuals, Jews, Blacks, Asians, Middle Easterners and even non-Nazi Germans. This type of Fascism/Naziism, tolerates no alternative views whatsoever and has no place in a democratic society.

This is not simply a freedom of speech issue, this is about glorifying thugs.

Please remove this site immediatedly.

Thank You.

John K.
Berlin.


#19

Please shutdown this Website.It was the Website from militant Neonazis from Berlin,Germany und i have found my Picture on this Website.Neonazis know my name yet und say to me on Neonazidemonstrations “we kill you” und so on.I am a free Photographer from Berlin and i work also over Neonazis and so on.Now im very angry and the German Police say,they cant do anything,why the website is not hosted in germany.please shutdown this website.


#20

Oh, for a second I thought you were talking about American foreign policy…

Anyway, your posts won’t have much effect here. This is a public forum, not DH customer support.