Google Apps


#1

Has anyone had much experience with using Google Apps for their domain? I’m looking to get some reviews about good and bad things people have run into. What are the pros and cons of doing this. Thanks for any input you might have!

-Eugene


#2

I moved my mail there, simply it rocks!
The conversations style takes a little bit of getting used to but there spam filter is also FANTASTIC. I really like the search but it lacks partial word matching, crazy but if you have a gmail account now you know all that.

I also set up temporarily setup evolution (thunderbird or whatever would do) with both imaps and drop and dragged about 2GB of mail, not saying that was fast, but it worked :wink:

I also thought I would go back to my normal imap client but didn’t the interface has really grown on me. In addition being able to specify other email accounts and automatically pull that mail into one with tags and labels to slick.


#3

I use Google Apps for a few of my domains, it reall does rock. Domain aliases allow you to quickly create usernames across multiple domains. You can customize to an extent but its still very much Google as usual.

http://exjinn.net | xaviermage.com | pos.thumo.us


#4

I used it a couple of years ago and it was excellent.

They did have a period where mail sent out had an “On behalf of…” note attached to the headers (possibly to ally SPF concerns of recipient mailservers). It looked a little unprofessional for the situation in which we were using it so decided to go back to the domain’s mail server. Apart from that it is a fantastic solution.

Sorcerer will be able to tell you if the ‘On behalf of…’ note is still implemented.


#5

Thanks to everyone so far that has replied. Other than the “On behalf of…” note that had been attached, has anyone seen any other drawbacks?
sXi,
What about moving back to your own mail server from Google’s? This is one thing that concerns me. Did you have a problem with moving any of your mail or did Google do anything “evil” that screwed up the move back from Google Apps?


#6

It was a breeze. Changed the MX records back and it was all good.


#7

No on behalf on…

From google to my work…
(now don’t laugh but no behalf of)

From: fagan@fagansplace.com
Subject: test
Date: January 15, 2008 9:09:19 PM CST
To: fagan@fnal.gov
Return-Path: fagan@fagansplace.com
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#8

Great info. I’m going back to GApps!

Thank you for taking the time to test it David.


#9

One more question…at least for now :slight_smile:

Does setting up Google Apps for your domain have any effect on any current GMail/Google accounts you might have? For example, do you have to link your current GMail/Google account to the setup of Google Apps or are they totally separate without any bearing on each other? Thanks.


#10

Totally separate.

Any current Gmail accounts you or your users possess already have no bearing whatsoever on the yourdomain.com addresses you setup with Google.


#11

Thanks. It looks like I’m running out of reasons not to switch! :slight_smile:


#12

I was about to ask another question about creating a “catch-all” address, but then I thought I would just search for it. It turns out you can and I wanted to post the link here for others who may have the same question.

http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=33962


#13

Ouch! Yes, you can, but they are a major spam magnet> :wink:

–rlparker


#14

Right, but moving the mail server to Google, I let them use all of their spam filtering black magic, which is pretty darn good :slight_smile:

A couple other cons that I had read about and would be interested in hearing those with experience comment on was the following…

From: http://zerokspot.com/weblog/978/
Google Support is automatically receiving all mail sent to postmaster@domain.com and abuse@domain.com. Sure, you can add yourself also to this list, but I don’t like it that Google gets these mails by default.

From: http://www.nedkoko.com/blog/2007/12/21/google-apps-review-should-you-switch/
SMTP limit. If you really read the fineprint you will know …or you will find out later that Google’s SMTP service has a restriction to send only up to 500 emails per day for a particular account. While this is enough for the average Joe in your office it might pose a risk if you are using any automated email services and notification in your organization. Again the workaround is using a separate SMTP server as an email proxy.


#15

Good points, all of them. Yeah, Google does a great job of gobbling spam … I just hate to see catch-alls get blasted even if they do get filtered. :wink:

Thanks for the other observations and links!

–rlparker