Jumping in head first is the best part. I would have never learned php (I 'previously' thought ASP.net was da bomb.) Learning hands on is the best way and the people in here, like you Logic, help us mere mortals understand. Without all of you, most of us would be lost. So, I am here to say thanks. And, CMAN, whenever you have a question, feel free to ask. I am a newbie too. If you can't get the answer here, try Support, or google.