Dreamhost Porn


#1

I really do not have a problem with porn - if people want it, that’s OK by me. But there’s a place for it.

The other day, a google search found http://tutorial.dreamhost.com

As well as some really amateurish search engine spam, the site is actually knee deep in porn.

Surely the Good Ole Boys at Dreamhost can afford another domain, rather than abuse a subdomain that reflects on the service?


#2

[quote]Surely the Good Ole Boys at Dreamhost can afford another domain, rather than abuse a subdomain that reflects on the service?

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LOL! A subdomain.dreamhost.com doesn’t mean that they are in any way affiliated with DreamHost, except that they are one of their clients.


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#3

Unofrutnately DreamHost may be the “victim” here, if by your post your implying that they intentionally setup such a site.

When you have an account with DreamHost, you have an option of setting up a subdomain of dreamhost.com; for example when I first signed up, I had mycompany.dreamhost.com and mycompany.com for example. That way if your DNS for mycompany.com gets hosed, the one for mycompany.dreamhost.com still works hopefully, or perhaps one is cheap and doesn’t want to register their own domain, etc.

The ony thing I see is that the content of that web site begs the question of whether or not e-mail spam might be linking to the pages on that subdomain. That would be a violation of DH TOS, though I would think if that were the case DH would have already taken action. I’m not saying a violation has occured.

To see all the pages Google has indexed for that subdomain, search for
-qxxxxxxxxx site:tutorial.dreamhost.com

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#4

Yeah - it was a big mistake not to put these within .users.dreamhost.com or .dreamhost.net or something. We’ve talked about changing the way this is done, but so far it hasn’t happened.

I’m not aware of any activity that’s a technical violation of our TOS here.


#5

[quote]I’m not aware of any activity that’s a technical violation of
our TOS here.

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Yeah. While I personally think this type of search engine optimization is rather unethical and lessens the value of a service many people depend on, since Google is technically scanning other peoples’ content those people aren’t really under any obligation to offer it in a way that doesn’t skew the results. In this sense, it’s not really equivalent to spam*, cracking, or other more nefarious practices which we do disallow.

That said, it’s probably worth noting that Google does pay attention to this sort of thing, and they do have a form wherein you can report people who attempt to subvert their ranking systems using hidden links, misleading search terms, etc.

http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html

(* …although weblog/guestbook comment spam is often used for SEO purposes, and is covered by our anti-spam policy)

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#6

Ah!

I didn’t realise that “non-dreamhost” folk had access to the subdomains - I’ve been around too long to remember that as an option!

So I accept nothing can be done.

On the ‘spam’ matter; I was referring to Search Engine spam, not email spam; I accept that while (arguably) unethical, it is quite legal, and I wouldn’t expect it to be outlawed by a host’s TOS (it’s a personal conscience matter)

So apologies for raising a non-issue.

For the future, however, I’d strongly suggest Dreamhost buy one neutral name (eg mysite.com or even ‘bananas.com’, if available) and sublet subdomains of that, rather than the main domain, to avoid this kind of thing.


#7

[quote]For the future, however, I’d strongly suggest Dreamhost buy one neutral name (eg mysite.com or even ‘bananas.com’, if available) and sublet subdomains of that, rather than the main domain, to avoid this kind of thing.

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Ahhh … good idea! I USED TO own dreamwebsite.com, which could be excellent for this purpose. Hmm … let me think of another good one so I can sell it to DreamHost for a zillion. :devil:


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#8

AFAIK, that’s been an options since day one.


#9

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Probably, but my mind doesn’t hold such things for that long, and I don’t think it features on my panel (if it does, then I’ve built up an immunity!)


#10

[quote]For the future, however, I’d strongly suggest Dreamhost
buy one neutral name (eg mysite.com or even
bananas.com’, if available) and sublet subdomains of that,
rather than the main domain, to avoid this kind of thing.

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Actually, for this we’d probably just make something like “users.dreamhost.com” and allow for people to create “something.users.dreamhost.com” or something. It might also be nice to register a handful of generic-sounding domains for sub-domain creation purposes, though.

Obviously we wouldn’t be able to stop people from using dreamhost.com sub-domains they’re already using, but we’d probably restrict future created ones.

Really, most people use these just for temporary staging sites until they register their main domain or transfer DNS. We’ve actually been talking a bit about making that process a bit easier (something that, honestly, other hosts have the jump on us on). This would be particularly helpful for new customers.

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