Dreamhost Hosts Terrorist Website


#1

http://kataebaqsa.org <— The Website

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#2

The site isn’t in English. Care to translate? =P


#3

Only have to look at the pictures and read other websites remarks about the site which brings it to your attention.

http://haganah.us/haganah/

You can tell just by looking at their main page to know that their inciting violence towards another race of people. That violates their Terms of Service I would think.

Dreamhost might not know about this site yet but it should be shut down. It’s like harboring terrorism within the United States. It’s just not ethical and right. I would be a bad choice publically to keep a site like that.

----EDITED----

Let me elaborate what I’m trying to say when it comes to terrorism on the internet. I don’t believe it’s appropriate that Dreamhost hosts a site which promotes violence against a religion instead of what I said before race because I thought that there are Muslims who are Americans.

But due to interest today I searched further into the other story and went to several internet sites run by those who support terrorism and found that a link which told the Palestinians plight and how all the problems started and I found this site.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org

On this site it tells their side of the story and how terrorism comes into play with what they want. Palestinians were there first owning 93% of Israel and those of Jewish descent owned only 7%. Now their being pushed off their land every day.

The US Government gives Israel 15-16 million a day used to buy weaponry and support their military to do this to them and I feel that were more at wrong then they are. If I was being pushed out of my home, I would be infuriated. I wouldn’t kill someone though. But if I saw the person who pushed me out of my house I would attack him instead.

I’m not trying to attack the site. I just think it was a bad decision for the webmaster to have it placed on hosting within US boarders. It’s a too controversial of a subject. Too many people die from terrorism that doesn’t have to. The Palestinian population is larger but yet we supply Israel with the weapons, technology and money to oppress what was rightfully theirs in the process though special interest groups in the United States. #4 in total contributions to election campaigns.


#4

it’s actually a Palestenian Martyr/Terror group, probably not much to do with the US from the tiny bit of research I did on it in Google just now (aside from Israeli/US relationship).

I just read the TOS and it seems to only have a problem with wares or child porn, which this site ain’t. I think I’ve seen this site posted in the forums before actually, and it’s still here, be a good indication that DH doesn’t have a problem with it.

[color=#0000CC]jason[/color]


#5

I’d hate to have Dreamhost making political judgments as to which sites express acceptable opinions (and doing so would require them to be fluent in every language on Earth and familiar with the details of thousands of ethnic, religious, and political conflicts in order to understand what a site is about and whether its views are in or out of the “mainstream” in its proper context).

If the U.S. Department of Homeland Security declares a particular group to be “terrorist”, then it’s possible that under the Patriot Act and other legislation and regulations (unless they’re declared unconstitutional) a U.S.-based host like Dreamhost might be forced to take down its site. But otherwise, I’d rather they didn’t take such action, even if I’m offended by a site.

– Dan


#6

[quote]I just read the TOS and it seems to only have a problem with
wares or child porn, which this site ain’t. I think I’ve seen this
site posted in the forums before actually, and it’s still here, be
a good indication that DH doesn’t have a problem with it.

[/quote]

Actually, we definitely have a problem with it. While we do indeed have rather ‘open’ policies when it comes to free speech, there are limitations - inciting violence directed against innocent civilians and/or recruiting people to do such things goes beyond what we allow.

In a nutshell: Assuming you don’t break any other TOS rules (copyright violations, spam, etc) we will not touch your site because we don’t like what you’re saying. You can put up naked pictures of consenting adults. You can express your controversial political opinions, engaging in speech that would be considered offensive to others. You can be a Palestinian expressing strongly-worded concerns about Israeli foreign policy, or vice versa.

You can even host a “DreamHost sucks” web site calling us buffoons on our service and we won’t boot you off for it. Anyone who has seen the occasional anti-DreamHost messages posted to this forum can probably attest to that.

But - The moment you start asking people to strap bombs onto their chests and go kill civilians, you’re just going to have to find another host - even if those civilians don’t happen to live in the USA. The only reason we would keep such a site up for an extended period of time is if law enforcement had an interest in it.

Anyhow, the account in question has been disabled (though it may be up for a few more hours until the site is down).

  • Jeff @ DreamHost
  • DH Discussion Forum Admin

#7

[quote]I’d hate to have Dreamhost making political judgments as to
which sites express acceptable opinions (and doing so would
require them to be fluent in every language on Earth and
familiar with the details of thousands of ethnic, religious,
and political conflicts in order to understand what a site is
about and whether its views are in or out of the "mainstream"
in its proper context).

[/quote]

This has been an issue in the past, as sometimes the operators of non-mainstream sites do not provide an English translation. However, thus far we’ve always been able to work around it (usually by contacting the owner or having someone translate for us).

[quote]If the U.S. Department of Homeland Security declares a
particular group to be “terrorist”, then it’s possible that under
the Patriot Act and other legislation and regulations (unless
they’re declared unconstitutional) a U.S.-based host like
Dreamhost might be forced to take down its site. But
otherwise, I’d rather they didn’t take such action, even if
I’m offended by a site.

[/quote]

For what it’s worth, we’ve never taken down a site for strictly political or ideological reasons. We host a great many sites that would probably greatly offend you, certainly offend me, and probably offend everyone in our company.

With regard to the Israeli/Palestinian situation, it’s quite possible to be sympathetic to the Palestinian position but still not advocate (or incite/recruit for) any actions that some people take in the name of that position.

That’s the real difference: action. A web site that incites/recruits people to actively attack civilians goes beyond “free speech” and has rather frightening real-world implications. As much as we try to remain absolutely neutral when it comes to content issues, we just can’t do it in that type of case.

Obviously, there’s a value judgment that goes with this: We’re not going to take down a video game web site because someone thinks playing Quake is going to turn kids into mass murderers. Nor if someone delineates their positions with regard to Israeli activities are we going to just accept “it might make someone really angry” as justification to remove the site. We get emails like that every day from people who want us to remove sites, and generally they are turned down.

If the argument for taking the site down is tenuous, the site stays. If there’s any question at all (ie. foreign language, etc) we either contact the owner directly and ask them what’s up or find another way to determine the nature of the site.

  • Jeff @ DreamHost
  • DH Discussion Forum Admin

#8

BTW, we had some internal discussion recently about an unrelated issue, and I did a little reading around. Here are a couple of links that clarify the issues surround this (at least in regards to the 1st amendment; obviously our TOS gives us a pretty broad degree of latitude).

http://www.adl.org/internet/internet_law3.asp
http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Hate-speech_discrimination/


#9

They are very limited, and this case would probably be a grey area (none of us can read the sites in question, which makes determining this all the harder).

However, in this case, the site would also probably be covered under the lovely “Patriot” Act (if the site truly is an official site of the organization), since this organization is in fact listed as a “terrorist” group. Agreed, the US government should probably list itself as a terrorist group too, but that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon.

BTW, I didn’t find much relevant in the TOS, except maybe “lawful purpose.” That would not seem to give DH much latitude.

[/quote]

In this case, because of the so-called Patriot act, the “lawful purpose” bit is relevant. But the main part I was talking about is:

“1. This contract may be terminated by either party, without cause, by giving the other party 30 days written notice.”