Cold Fusion

As much as i’d love for there to be CF hosting on Dreamhost, I don’t seem them doing it for two reasons:

  1. There’s no way they can do it for free. If they use official Adobe CF Enterprise, we’re talking 3k per server. Say Dreamhost has 1000 servers; well that’s $3 million. If they offered a new, special hosting for it outside of their 4 main packages, that would make a lot more sense. Keep all the CFers together and all that. But that would pretty much go against the “simple but powerful” motto that Dreamhost seems to have.

  2. The second reason would be because of how CF administration works. Unlike php, or ruby or python, CF really needs access to CF Administrator, a webpage where general CF settings are modified. Most the stuff in there isn’t essential, but at the very least there’d need to be a way to modify datasources. This would have to be replicated in the Dreamhost panel, which would be a little more custom scripting for them.

I guess I just think it’d be amazing and great if they did, or found some way to do so in a limited capacity, but full fledge adoption of CF isn’t happening without a ton of people signing up for it; like 3million$ worth of people…

I would like to bring up ColdFusion for reconsideration again by DH. It has matured into a viable product and programming platform. It now even supports .Net!! Go figure. There are even other application servers (Bluedragon) that can implement the CFML tags - although I feel it would be best to use the Adobe CFML Application server, it does have a larger cost involved.

I have fond in the suggestion box an old request for CF and have place my vote on it. I encourage others to do the same.

As for cost to DH - yes it probably would warrant a higher monthly fee - as in my search for a host that supports it, CF hosting seems to be a bit more $. BUT with the power of DH and the expanding support of Adobe and CF Coders - I’m sure the a slightly higher fee would be acceptable.

DreamHost has a policy (sort of) of not using proprietary software - in fact it is one of the big draws of DreamHost that it has embraced open source software and applications. I wouldn’t imagine ColdFusion would have any place in DreamHost’s future.

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Ah but on the contrary…there IS (or will be in a few weeks)!! BlueDragon - once proprietary and soon to be OpenSource!!

Please take a look at this:
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/open_source/faq.cfm
and this
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/open_source/overview.cfm
and this:
http://alan.blog-city.com/bluedragon_steering_committee.htm

Perhaps it’s time to reconsider??? It would make a great addition to DH…

Except it wouldn’t, because it’s crappy. I’m amazed anyone still takes it seriously, to be honest.

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That’s quite a pompous and uninformed comment! Do you even know anything about the platform? Maybe you should read up on it first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfusion

Then tell that to these billion dollar companies:

http://www.footlocker.com/
http://www.crayola.com/index.cfm


http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/home/&cl=us,en
http://www.simonsays.com/content/index.cfm?pid=523105&tab=1
http://www.apcc.com/index.cfm

Actually, I’ve been using ColdFusion since it first came out in “MX” form, and I’m well-versed in CFML.

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Just because one person thinks something is crappy that another person likes doesn’t make the first person pompous or uninformed … they just have different opinions of the thing.

For example, My ex-wife may have thought I was a “crappy” lover, while my girlfriend at the time thought I was the very best! Neither one of those women were pompous, or uninformed, they were just very different … and I don’t think any amount of “reading up on it” would have changed my ex-wife’s opinion! :wink:

–rlparker

Oh, couldn’t tell from your response:

[quote]Except it wouldn’t, because it’s crappy. I’m amazed anyone still takes it seriously, to be honest.
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And I’ve been around it since it was Allaire Coldfuxion 4.0.

So if you’re so well versed, I guess you still use it, and feel you should support this - so everyone who is DH customer has more choices of a platform for programming.

No. I am forced to use it when working on legacy code, mostly for clients with old websites who cannot find CF programmers to fix their broken websites.

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Agreed, but for example; I personally don’t like PHP, yet I don’t go around bashing it when someone make a request for an improvement.

On your other point, if your wife needs more information or you need practice… might I suggest a swinger’s club! lol!

Forced?? LOL! Glad to hear you’re still supporting CF!! Thanks! (Else you’d be converting your clients to other platforms)

I am converting clients where possible. It’s hard to do that with contract work though.

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Sorry to hear that. Maybe you should get a real job. :slight_smile:

Yes, good point.

How much of a drain would you consider BD be CPU/memory-wise in a shared environment?
Would it play nicely with the gear already in place, or would it be better to have servers set aside as ‘BlueDragon systems’?
Are there any statistics on current userbase and growth?

I’d think you could talk DH into it, assuming it makes good business sense.

I suppose since it’s a java application it would play nice as with any other Application that uses Java. Adobe says there is half a million CFML devlopers. Since it’s going to be FREE i suppose they can test to see how friendly it is.

So how about it DH???

[quote]How much of a drain would you consider BD be CPU/memory-wise in a shared environment?
Would it play nicely with the gear already in place, or would it be better to have servers set aside as ‘BlueDragon systems’? Are there any statistics on current userbase and growth? [/quote]

Having perused this thread I have a question. I have a client who wants a estimate form created. I created his site in Flash CS3 and lo and behold, I can’t seem to activate the submit button without Cold Fusion.

What other alternatives do any of you suggest. I have lost a tremendous amount of time trying to make this work. I would like to stay inside Flash if possible but will go to an html page if necessary.

Steve