[DABEAR]

"You are still being intentionally deceptive and you know it."

Ah, so you read minds, now...actually, I don't think that you know what you're talking about, and for that matter, I don't know what you're talking about either. Still awaiting your documented proof...

"And unless they answer the phone, "Bluehost, how may I help you?" some might argue that they're lying right there."

Dude, at least they HAVE A PHONE! Emphasis, not screaming, but coming mighty close! <G>

"If you can't figure out what's wrong with comparing a $4.95 plan (from a budget host, masquerading as a lower budget host) to Dreamhost's most expensive plan, then that would explain why you also can't figure out why no one takes you seriously."

Look, all I'm saying, is that by dropping a worthless business plan with DreamHost, overpriced as it clearly was, I'm saving $75.00.

I then saw some figures for $7.95 or $8.95 or $9.95, and $4.95 is still cheaper, plus I get telephone customer service, a great crew backing me up, no delays (in fact, the service is the fastest I've ever received), and that was a great business move to make...leaving DreamHost.Con for HostMonster.Com. And you're raising a ruckus over what? The fact you can't see a better deal, whether it be contrasted with so-called, alleged, "premium service" (hee-yeah, right...) or discount web hosting.

Either way you look at it, I'm saving money. I was paying for a worthless plan, iinflated in price, with virtually no customer service to speak of ~ other than BAD ~ and am in heaven with a plan that is saving me over $1,900.00 a year when contrasted to what I was paying.

If you get what you pay for, after what I've been through with Dreamhost.Con, then DreamHost discount plans aren't going to do me or anyone else any good. You still pay more and the service sucks, and you don't have telephone contact with those whom provide technical support.

"You want to keep arguing price? Fine, show me how I get 1 year at Hostmonster for $22.40. Pick any plan you want!"

Be a man...go find out for yourself. I don't pimp for them or anyone. Try "Negotiations." Try finding out if they match or will beat a competitors price.

"You can't?"

Actually, I "won't!" I am not their pimp! I didn't pimp for DreamHost nor any other Web Hoster or Server, so be a man and go represent yourself and whatever deal your seeking.

"You can lead a horse to water..."

I can refer you, but I'm not your business agent or manager.

"Okay, then show me how I can get 2 years for $93.80. What? You still can't? Then it's not cheaper."

First, it was one year for $93.80. Now it's two years...and did I mention go negotiate your own fee? See if they don't try to match or beat a competitor's fees. Not my line of business.

"I already did the math for you. Let me know when you find a calculator that disagrees with me."

This one looked pretty good to me; not your standard calculator, but a good one none the less:

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/web-hosts...round.html

"It's bad enough that you're spamming for Bluehost-calling-themselves-Hostmonster, but you can't even sell them here using real math and apple-to-apples comparisons."

Well, now you're lying. I haven't spammed here. I've posted my dislikes and utilized an advertisement that will be appearing at all 70 of my websites to give people a better choice than DreamHost and alert all to their fraud.

And your arguments are amusing...but you're no longer on the same wavelength.

There's a tradeoff for the low prices. Or add ons waiting. The link above will clue folks in as to the hidden prices and how low cost can suddenly become high cost to you. Including customer service, when it fails because you have no telephone contact or support for immediate problems needing solved NOW!

That is a major complaint out on the internet. Cusomters having to wait longer than 48 hours. I'm still waiting for a response to a message I sent on December 31, 2006. It's not coming. And I am leaving. Oh well. Attorneys will be in touch.

"You will not find a single person with common sense that will agree with your comparison. And that includes first graders that are currently maintaining a D+ or higher in math."

Well, if you're referring to this little Discussion forum, ya got me there!!! <GGG>

[This is the part where you consider registering multiple IDs here to agree with yourself.]

So, you're having trouble with Schizophrenia!? Maybe you should go take your medicine, lie down for a while, before fighting with multiple personalities. You're having trouble enough getting an argument past me.

"What's next on your agenda? Maybe head down to the Mercedes dealership and tell everyone to go over to the Kia dealership where they have the same cars for less money?"

Actually, to compare DreamHost with Mercedes is like comparing Giant Sloths to Jaguars. And I drive Chevy trucks so I don't give a squat about either! LOL!!! You must be one of these Generation X/Y/Z types that flaunt your foreign cars out at the local UAW office...

"What fraud? If there's fraud, get a lawyer and sue. Don't say you'll do it--just do it."

Hey, little boy...where have you been? We're en route. They know it. I think you know it. But first, there are some complaint procedures that must be attempted under administrative Law. I've already spoken with the FBI, so here I go!

Man, you're like the Drum Major that lost his band or something. You been snorting with Jeff C and Tony Montana again?

"When you win this court case that will never happen, then you can come back and tell us all how wrong we are."

Won't be necessary...I'll find it plenty fine to rub Jeff C's nose in it. Have you read his bio!? You remind me a lot of him!

And he's going down along with DreamHost for his threat. So, I'll make you a better deal. Drop on over to my websites and I'll publish the story there. Icing on the cake, if you get my drift...

"Let me guess, you're typing up a reply instead of heading out to meet with an attorney? And something tells me the reply will fail to mention how I can get those prices at Hostmonster."

Ahh, no...it's winter here in Colorado, and there's snowstorms through Sunday with temperatures below zero into next week, and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s Federal Holiday Weekend.

All the Attorneys left for the slopes yesterday! I mean, some of them share your sentiments, and Attorneys like that, man ~ need some cooling off time.

You know...like from the flames of Hell! <G>

I'm just sitting here watching the latest snow storm and transferring websites over to HostMonster.Com, taking my sweet time about everything, and planning the Administrative Law matters and the complaints to two, State, Attorney Generals.

You don't just run out to Attorneys. You call, make appointments, find the right one dealing in the right field, pay him the retainer, unless he takes the matter on consignment because there's so much money involved, and then you wait for him to call you and let you know what and when he filed. The documents come later in the mail.

And right now, I have the whole weekend ahead of me, I'm having fun determining which DreamHost employee is hiding his identity behind these facade-style postings I'm having to respond to...if any.

And I'm laughing my ass off because all DreamHost is likely out there cooling down themselves on the slopes, just miles from me here in Manitou Springs, and haven't a clue that I'm posting here because their forwarding numbers all have that STUPID message from the Better Business Bureau's Contact Information re: "Phone Number!"

Which is to say: no one can reach them to delete this thread because they haven't given ANYONE a phone number with which to reach them to date! <G> And they don't return calls anyway! Which is hard to do when you're torn between being the God of Computer Geeks, an MTV Hero to the statuatory challenged, or a fictional Drug Lord in a Leisure Suit with a Lounge Singer's name, stolen from an Al Pacino movie that bombed because it was "too violent."

Talk about poetic justice!

[DABEAR]

No, they're "feeding the troll" because I've still got messages stacked up in my e-mail box like 747s on a Winter's night over Chicago O'Hare.

I really wish they would listen to you and stop it. I'm having a blast, but I'm not getting any work done.

And I deny being a Troll...I just don't believe in being rude and leaving communications unresponded to. And I dislike DreamHost and have said so...and said so...and said so...and wouldn't have to say so if they'd quit responding!

And I've still got more messages to answer, so if they stop now, I should be able to resume work oh...by two in the morning...

...next Thursday! <G>

...and one guy keeps trying his "Bear" strategy on me! "Oh, well, you use the name Bear, therefore, you must think you are a Bear..."

Without regard, of course, to the issues at hand. That's the best HE can do!

So, let me get on with these other messages and hopefully you can talk some sense into them...

...so I can go hibernate, er...sleep! <G>

[DABEAR]

"You're still complaining about honesty... while spamming for a company that needs a second business name to grab at customers that want nothing to do with them under another name?"

And you're still lying about other people's honesty while pimping and spamming for these guys:

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Save up to $96 at Dreamhost with ALMOST97 promo code (I get $1).
Or save $97 with THEFULL97.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's been on every one of your messages!

You know, you're really making me mad! Therefore, if I make a sale to DreamHost by just now posting this message here...

...you're not getting a dime!

Nice try, though...I'm truly, still not pissed off. <G>

Also, obviously, when it comes to people not wanting to have anything to do with HostMonster, I wanted something to do with them! I'm sending them business. I'm sending them DreamHost business, and as for you bonus babies, I'm sending your business away as well.

They're all (HostMonster) laughing right now at you! And they haven't been here to read these messages that I'm aware of, since this is an independent complaint for the dislikes section here. Therefore, truly, what is it that they're currently laughing about.

I mean when somebody cringes that hears DreamHost's name...followed by three or four minutes of uncontrollable snickering...that does not speak well of the Hosts here!

All the Dreamlings, DH Poo-bahs, DQ Dairy Queens and whatever else exists so coyly on this board, have their panties in a wad because the Big Bad Bear is over here talking the Truth about DreamHost and sending Business away to HostMonster.com.

Do you think that would be happening if you banded together as customers and forced DreamHost to run a savvy business plan and quit screwing around, playing the high and mighty, legends in their own collective mind, Gods of Bora Boring!

I'd just bet that somebody in this nonsensical operation has a Tiki God on their desk with a face and piercings that look just like them, i.e., UGLY!

Well, I've been accused! HostMonster.Com! $4.95 a month two years payment in advance. And unlike my critic here, I don't get a dime in kickback. And I never have to compromise the discs in my back by bending over to a "Dreamling," let alone, one of their "Poo-bahs"...if you get my drift. If they like DreamHost so much, I'm perfectly all right with them staying here and taking it in the fanny themselves, financially speaking <sound of suppressed laughter>!

Otherwise, I'll use my back to pick up the telephone and talk to a real person, a good human being, a friendly face, a person with knowledge and experience, and no tattoos, guitars or piercings to speak of...and THAT'S just ABOVE the belt! <G>

Two out of three ain't bad...but any op to grab a piercing and pull like the dickens is one not to be missed! <G>

Right, Dallas Kashuba-Bethune-Montana!? <G>

I'll get my chance, just the same. I'll see you in Court! LOL!

[genesteinberg]

This thread is a hoot. I cannot believe anyone is taking this DABEAR seriously, because he must surely be putting us on.

I mean, how can he compare a high-end shared hosting plan, designed for online retailers, which includes an SSL certificate, nearly 5 terabytes bandwidth and VPN with a basic hosting plan from another service?

Support? DreamHost provides email support, usually within 24 hours I gather, and will call you back if requested, according to a predetermined number of callbacks per month. Tell me, please, how can a company charging you $6.95 a month afford to accept even one call from you, which would cost them more than four months of your business? The answer is that support is either outsourced (good or bad), or, if you make too many calls, they might regard you as high risk and insist on a different arrangement.

Even when corrected, he refuses to confess that he's wrong. He just repeats his foolish statements.

On a practical level, I would seriously question the stability of anyone that makes such a big deal about a Web hosting service. If the one you use doesn't do what you want, you go elsewhere. You have lots of choices.

You will find, however, that most every service has complaints. The question is whether the company's plan meets your needs and whether it has a decent record of reliability and customer support.

If you're not satisfied, go elsewhere. Sigh!

Peace,
Gene Steinberg

[DABEAR]

Errrr....

Here's your PO Box (from BBB):

Address: 417 Associated Road, PMB 257
Brea, CA 92821

You must get your facts straight first. Anyway, good luck with BlueHost/HostMonster.

Roger that, Toord, but I already have that and as you have stated, it is a P.O. Box. I've already mentioned that.

A P.O. Box is used by frauds to hide their operations. For example, prior to moving here to Colorado, I was pursuing a story in the Los Angeles/Long Beach area regarding individuals, not trained to practice Law, operating companies that buy collection accounts, then represent the debtor companies in Court, although the "buyees" are not trained, State Bar Qualified, Attorneys-at-Law.

In other words, what they are doing is not allowed and against the Law, and must be reported to the State Bar.

This is ~ in particular ~ a violation of the State Bar Code of Conduct which is being accomodated by Judges in the Los Angeles and Long Beach areas.

They set up P.O. Boxes and refer to them as "Suites," and nobody knows the difference until an enterprising report suspecting something is up, goes to the address to see the location of the physical "Suite," which is in reality, a P.O. Box.

Very clever, but the Doll House Office Furniture did not fool me, though the candy treat's on the receptionist's desk would have ~ had they been larger.

Anyhow, I digress...

DreamHost, if they were a legitimate operation, would have their physical addresses for their facilities posted on their websites, the correct names for their Corporate Officers, contact information for their Attorneys, and basically, wouldn't be operating like a fly-by-night, get ready to move on a moment's notice, running from the Law is our specialty, type of operation.

They have a physical address, other than the PMB. The PMB does not allow face to face contact with DreamHosts Corporate Officers, Agents and Attorneys.

So, we have one physical address and now have to check out others, especially one or two in the San Francisco area.

We shouldn't have to do this. No customer should have to do this. The contact information is fraudulent in that, no human contact is possible on a face-to-basis if you show at that address, or you call on that telephone number also at the BBB. The address will belong to "Mail Boxes Etc.," or some group like that, not DreamHost or New Dream LLC.

Joseph Jones is not the CEO. Use of that individual's name is identity theft. If they are a competant, caring company, they would have Dallas' name in there. They will try to say it was "Josh Jones" name and someone made a mistake. Won't fly because Josh might be one of the founders, but it's Dallas who brags in his own Bio that his very favorite thing is "bossing Josh around." Dallas is running things, and I should point out, it's his picture atop the totum pole, not beneath Josh's.

Vanity, thy name is "a.k.a Keshuba..."

Which, if you start putting information together, you see why Investigative Journalists don't just run out and hire Attorneys, as someone else has suggested, but rather, we are capable of doing research on our own.

Anyhow, I digress again...the PMB is worthless. This company is set-up to shut down, move on a moment's notice, run with the money, with little means to trace them other than their own stupidity, and my question simply is this:

Why?

What is their motive, in other words, to be set up in "business" like this? So clandestine?

So, the PMB is worthless and they only want you to send money, they don't care about anything else or any other issues. Just Cash$$$!!!

They'll leave cash there ~ along with written complaints ~ if they have to leave in a hurry.

Why set up that way if your an honest Corporation? Why not just be upfront with your contact information and put everyone at ease? Customer support. Customer service. Having a human being to talk to. Makes the business go easier, makes concerns process smoother; can clarify issues and clear them up before they ever have a chance to become complaints.

Why does DreamHost not have this and instead, operate in a Clandestine, Corporate Shell Game?

Thanks on the Good Luck wishes with HostMonster.

[DABEAR]

"So, you've heard of nicknames, but not jokes?"

Oh, DreamHost I've heard of...

"Dreamhost's Tony Montana stuff would be a joke. They're still actually just Dreamhost, just like you're not really a bear."

Wait a minute ~ now you're claiming that I'm not a "Bear!?" Does that mean you were lying!?

"So, if DH puts everything they type in quotes, you'll then be able to tell whether something is a joke or not?"

Starting with "Dreamhost" ~ let me think about that! <G> Yeah, looks like a joke to me!

"You should submit an urgent support ticket requesting that they have giant red arrows pointing to all jokes so you won't get confused so easily."

Well, yeah, but...after the thirtieth request and no response, it gets kind of old!

"I don't think you've been there long enough to say they're living up to anything. You didn't even know what company you were actually dealing with, let alone anything else about them."

Uh, sounds like someone's feeding you more lies. You've got their lies wrong, and now your lies are not lies because they are mistakes, since DreamHost's lies were wrong and you can't be held responsible, though you should be.

Everyone got all that!? <G>

Intentional deception again?

No ~ that was a Joke ~ but DreamHost has failed to respond to thirty requests for red arrows...so I guess you're screwed trying to figure that one out...

Dreamhost: 416,000 domains.
Bluehost: 44,000 domains.

Dude, as for intentional deception, I'm not with BlueHost. I signed up for HostMonster. $4.95 and a customer service center with real people and telephone access.

Dude, clearly ~ you've got the "Blues." Seek medication. Lots of it!

"You really can't tell which way people are going? Ouch, math again."

Hey, look ~ I see the Lemmings going one way, I head the other and wave at the Disney Bulldozer as it goes by, following the Lemmings of course.

And as for your Math, you haven't shown me any for HostMonster.Com. Just BlueHost, and I'm not doing business with those people.

"Their ranking is 14th largest host in the US, 18th in the world. Considering there are thousands of hosts, I'd call that pretty close to the top of the pile. (Notice who's not up there: Hostmonster)."

Is it possible that the figures are inflated by false reporting from DreamHost?

Is it possible that DreamHost (and you) are status fixated?

Is it possible that the masses can be fooled by one?

Is it possible that there are THAT many people who can be fooled and defrauded by one?

And if they all love DreamHost so much, why are YOU the only ones here!

I KNOW!!! The rest of them are SHY!

Saying you're not happy with Bluehost isn't a DMCA violation.

I didn't say I wasn't happy with BlueHost, especially since I'm not doing business with them...

"You will not find a host that lets their forum get crapped on by spamming losers like DH does."

That is definitely a lie, and in the double-edged sword argument, neither have I seen such an incredible suck-up tolerated by people obviously needing, er...

...what you have to offer! To be polite...

"No one censors less than them... certainly not Bluehost/Hostmonster."

Bring on your documented proof. Just because a truck runs over someone and does not kill them, doesn't necessarily soften the victim into loving trucks!

"But there's really no reason for you to start being honest about anything this late in the thread anyway, so keep whining about make-believe censorship."

Every post here is designed to censor me, beyond what DreamHost is doing. There's nothing make-believe. It's all happening, but you're all losing.

"You grew up to be a spamming liar, so who were your wonderful role models? Nevermind, I found them."

Honest people. Soldiers, Presidents, Kings. Freedom Fighters.

Finding none here.

[DABEAR]

"George III died of the disease, you imbecile. The movie only portrayed an earlier part of his life. He was not a tyrant. Hee didn't make stuff up about WMDs, for example."

He was a Tyrant to a large number of folks here in the U.S., and because of his Tyranny, we took our Freedom from his clenched fist and burned his kind in effigy.

And he wasn't my King! Frankly, I hope he died of the clap! One of the most serious WMDs there is, which he probably passed on to others and denied having himself. Probably tried to conceal them....

And Forrest Gump won the Oscar for Best Picture that year!

So there! <G>

Still ain't pissed...keep trying.

[DABEAR]

"That was not him in the movie. it was an actor."

Understood. No one noticed the caveat about "if you believe movies."

Also, the actor that portrayed him died of disease. Lost the Oscar, as did the movie. King George III still not getting any respect...<sound of suppressed laughter>

And ~ CAVEAT ~ if you believe the movies, Australian Mel Gibson kicked his A$$ single-handedly. Something funny about the Australians winning the Revolution for us...just remember the CAVEAT!!! <GGG>

As Freud once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar!"

Not in Bill Clinton's hands! Just goes to show you that Freud was ahead of his time...<G> Making up excuses for the sexual escapades of American Presidents decades before their time...

[DABEAR]

"This thread is a hoot. I cannot believe anyone is taking this DABEAR seriously, because he must surely be putting us on."

Trust me! I'm having the time of my life taking up and wasting the time spent of other people's lives by them trying to respond! <GGG>

And quit calling me Shirley!

"I mean, how can he compare a high-end shared hosting plan, designed for online retailers, which includes an SSL certificate, nearly 5 terabytes bandwidth and VPN with a basic hosting plan from another service?"

Simply put ~ when the damned thing stops working and the other guy's doesn't!

Further, lack of customer support in a timely manner becomes an issue, and I'm not the only one complaining about that.

And Customer service types who think they are superior to their customers. Then "Abuse" types who abuse. Plus, violations of the Law, Breach of Contract, Fraud, etc.

"Support? DreamHost provides email support, usually within 24 hours I gather, and will call you back if requested, according to a predetermined number of callbacks per month."

Man, it's a tough world when the number of predetermined call backs to a customer in a month's time, every month, is "0..."

"Tell me, please, how can a company charging you $6.95 a month afford to accept even one call from you, which would cost them more than four months of your business?"

You'll have to ask HostMonster.Com on that one! I'm only paying them $4.95 and have excellent telephone support and customer service with them. Could be in the "Math" where, when they have payment in advance, they can strike deals such as these. Or, it could be, they just like to provide good customer service!

"The answer is that support is either outsourced (good or bad), or, if you make too many calls, they might regard you as high risk and insist on a different arrangement."

So, insisting on "no calls" to DreamHost got me in bad with them!? I'll have to think about that the next time! <G>

...along with the issue of "Bait & switch," which is also fraud.

"Even when corrected, he refuses to confess that he's wrong. He just repeats his foolish statements."

I have yet to be corrected here...nice try, though!

"On a practical level, I would seriously question the stability of anyone that makes such a big deal about a Web hosting service."

Good. Also, what service?

"If the one you use doesn't do what you want, you go elsewhere. You have lots of choices."

Sure, as long as you get your money back...and punitive damages for breach of contract. I love your expedient way of trampling the rights of others with mere words. Again, had this happened to you, we are to believe that you would just walk away? Don't believe in yourself and your ability to fight and win? Don't believe in the Law. Get bullied a lot as a kid?
Like being bullied now? Prefer it when it happens to others?

That's pretty much what I hear out of most cowards. And these boys and girls are still going to get their hats handed to them...

"You will find, however, that most every service has complaints. The question is whether the company's plan meets your needs and whether it has a decent record of reliability and customer support."

There is no question that DreamHost has complaints, hate sites dedicated to it, criticisms of corporate officials still in positions of undeserved and unearned power. The company's record is in the toilet. And this "High Road" argument is a Wolf in sheep's clothing taking the "Low Road" through the mud.

If you are a coward, stay out of the fray. For once in this thread, every other person in it deserves respect other than you, even the guy who tried the expedience argument earlier.

At least they stood up and fought for themselves, their beliefs and even people they consider their friends.

You're just a coward. A yellow streak a mile long down your back and onto your curled tailbone. This argument was already tried by someone more courageous than you, and it doesn't fly except for cowards!

Unfortunately, I wasn't brought up that way, nor trained that way by the Army since!

"If you're not satisfied, go elsewhere. Sigh!"

If I'm not satisfied go elsewhere!? Dude, they're terminating my service and forcing me to go elsewhere to cover up for their lies and misconduct. My service is terminated on January 31st, 2007. Since it's paid for in advance, I'm going to make the best use of it!

Furthermore, stay here! Whatever you do! Don't leave!

GET what you deserve!

And as far as this thread goes, I don't take my advice from yellow cowards, even mediocre ones at that. And a lie is still a lie.

All people have to do is see through your statements and furthermore, see how you encourage them to cowardice...

...so that you won't be all alone!

"Peace,
Gene Steinberg"

DIVARTY!

Mark Daniels

[genesteinberg]

Too bad this board doesn't have a quote tool. It would make it easier.

So let's try this again: Whether the plan is $4.95 or $6.95 doesn't matter. It does not equal the Web resellers plan from DreamHost, which includes merchant software, free dedicated IP number and an SSL certificate among other things. You can't ignore that and you refuse to address the differences.

As to phone support: Each account lists a maximum number of support callbacks per month. The plan you claim to have includes five callbacks. If you say otherwise, as you do, you're lying or you're seriously misinformed.

The rest of your comments are pathetic, hardly worth anyone's further time or energy. Don't you have a life?

You don't like the place, goodbye and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Peace,
Gene